Leading Complexity Video Podcast
This video podcast brings together Agile, Systems Thinking, Complexity Thinking, and Product Models in a way that’s easy to understand. In each episode, we explore innovative strategies with leading experts in leadership. Join us to learn how to help your organization thrive and lead in today’s fast-changing, complex, and highly competitive world.
Episodes
#20 – Interview with Bjarte Bogsnes
In this episode of Leading Complexity, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe sit down with Bjarte Bogsnes, the pioneer behind Beyond Budgeting, to explore how organizations can move beyond traditional financial governance. Together, they unpack Bjarte’s insights on creating more human and adaptive organizations, addressing the pitfalls of conventional management models, and fostering true business agility. Join the conversation as the hosts clarify key principles of Beyond Budgeting and highlight practical steps for navigating today’s complex and fast-changing business environment.
#19 – Interview with Mary Poppendieck
Mary Poppendieck, co-author of four influential books on Lean software development, shares her wisdom on how leaders can navigate complexity, describing it as a “silent killer” that clogs the flow of business like cholesterol. The discussion delves into identifying and eliminating “bad complexity,” which customers won’t pay for, while leveraging “good complexity” to create differentiation. Mary highlights practical strategies for managing excessive demand, including focusing on customer outcomes, creating a steady flow of work, and avoiding multitasking by doing one thing at a time.
#18 – Interview with Stephen Bungay
We engage with Stephen Bungay, strategist, author, and expert on strategy execution, best known for his book The Art of Action. Throughout the conversation, Tomas and Michael highlight and clarify key concepts, as Stephen unpacks his framework for bridging the gap between strategy and execution, especially in complex and unpredictable environments. This episode dives into Stephen’s insights on the “three gaps” that hinder strategic alignment and the importance of setting a clear direction instead of rigid plans. Leaders will gain valuable perspectives on creating adaptive strategies ...
#17 – Interview with Matthew Skelton
In this episode we interview Matthew Skelton, co-author of Team Topologies. This insightful conversation delves into how organizations can adapt in today’s complex and fast-evolving environment. Tomas and Michael guide listeners through key parts of the interview, highlighting Skelton’s expertise on team structures, organizational agility, and managing emergent complexity. They explore the strategies for fostering effective collaboration, and the pitfalls of traditional management practices. This episode is perfect for leaders looking to reshape their organizations for greater adaptability ...
#16 – Interview with Petra Wille
Interview with Petra Wille, renowned product leadership coach and author of "Strong Product People" and "Strong Product Communities". Through a compelling discussion, they dive into Petra’s insights on what makes product management “the best job on the planet” and the essential elements for building a resilient product culture. Tomas and Michael unpack Petra’s views on the product operating model, community of practice, and the importance of fostering psychological safety within teams. Listeners will gain valuable perspectives on balancing user value with business viability, creating ...
#15 – Interview with Jos de Blok
In this episode we dive into an inspiring conversation with Jos de Blok, founder and CEO of Buurtzorg, a groundbreaking community care organization from the Netherlands. Known for its revolutionary self-organizing model, Buurtzorg has transformed healthcare by empowering nurses to deliver personalized care free from complex bureaucracy. Tomas and Michael not only guide the discussion, but also add insights and reflections, highlighting key aspects of Jos’s approach to leadership and his philosophy of “humanity over bureaucracy.” They explore Buurtzorg’s rise from a small team of four nurses ..
#14 – Interview with Joe Justice
Joe Justice, a pioneer in Agile hardware development. Joe has led Agile practices at major companies such as Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, Tesla, and Toyota, and he founded Wikispeed, a car manufacturing company focused on creating the most energy-efficient road-legal car. In the interview, Joe shares his insights on reducing complexity to accelerate innovation, drawing on his experience with Tesla and SpaceX. Tomas and Michael highlight key points from the discussion, offering further explanations and reflections on the importance of simplicity, speed of innovation, and leadership in ...
#13 – Interview with Dave Snowden
Dave Snowden shares insights on how complexity is an inherent part of the world and why traditional management tools are insufficient for addressing it. The conversation explores the importance of focusing on networks and interactions, rather than just individuals, and the need for distributed leadership and rapid feedback loops. Dave also explains the value of starting with a sense of direction, rather than fixed goals, and highlights three key strategies for building resilient organizations.
#12 – Interview with Nand Kishore Chaudhary (NKC)
In this episode of the Leading Complexity video podcast, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Nand Kishore Chaudhary (NKC), a renowned social entrepreneur and the founder of Jaipur Rugs. NKC shares the inspiring journey of how he transformed a small business with two looms and nine weavers into a global brand, empowering 40,000 artisans across India. The hosts highlight NKC's unique business philosophy, built on love, compassion, and equality, and explore how he revolutionized the traditional rug industry by uplifting marginalized communities.
#11 – Interview with Henrik Kniberg
In this episode of the Leading Complexity video podcast, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe dive into an insightful conversation with Henrik Kniberg, renowned for his influential books Scrum and XP from the Trenches and Lean from the Trenches. Henrik shares his deep expertise on navigating organizational complexity and highlights key leadership lessons from his extensive experience at companies like Spotify, LEGO, and Mojang. They explore Henrik’s views the importance of letting go of control in a complex world, and the valuable lessons behind the widely misunderstood Spotify model ...
#10 – Interview with Sonja Blignaut
In this episode we dive into a conversation with Sonja Blignaut, creator of the Waysfinder framework. Sonja explains how her framework helps leaders navigate complexity by fostering situational awareness and embracing multiple potential pathways forward. Tune in to explore how leaders can better understand and adapt to an unpredictable world with practical insights from Sonja's expertise.
#9 – Interview with Kent Beck
In this episode we dive into an insightful conversation with Kent Beck, a renowned figure in software development and the creator of eXtreme Programming. Kent shares his experiences and thoughts on leadership, complexity, and the four factors model, explaining how interdependencies, variation, states, and irreversibility shape our work environments. If you’re eager to learn how to navigate complexity in organizations and software development, this episode offers a deep dive into cutting-edge strategies and leadership insights from one of the field's great minds.
#8 – Interview with Simon Wardley
In this episode Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Simon Wardley, the creator of Wardley Mapping. Wardley Mapping is a powerful tool for visualizing value chains and enabling strategic conversations about organizational complexity. Throughout the interview, Wardley shares the origins of his mapping method and its value in helping businesses navigate dynamic and unpredictable environments. Tomas and Michael listen to Wardley’s insights, highlighting key concepts such as Ashby’s Law of Requisite Variety and the importance of situational awareness.
#7 – Interview with Annika Steiber
In this episode, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe sit down with Annika Steiber, a renowned researcher in innovation management and author of influential books like The Google Model and Leadership for a Digital World. Annika shares her insights on how management must evolve in response to technological advancements, globalization, and sustainability challenges. She discusses the critical need for companies to innovate continuously, adapt their business models, and empower every member of their organization to act as a sensor, identifying emerging opportunities.
#6 – Interview with Gary Hamel
In this episode, Tomas and Michael interview Gary Hamel, one of the most influential and iconoclastic business thinkers of our time. Gary shares his revolutionary ideas on modern management, emphasizing the need to move beyond outdated bureaucratic structures. He discusses how empowering teams with business literacy, financial stakes, and a deep understanding of their operating context can unlock innovation and resilience in organizations. Gary also reflects on the historical roots of management and why it's crucial to reinvent management in today’s dynamic business.
#5 – Interview with Woody Zuill
In this episode, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe, are excited to talk with Woody Zuill, the creator of mob programming, now known as software teaming. Woody shares how collaborative teamwork can transform problem-solving in complex environments. Let’s dive into our conversation with Woody and discover how to lead your organization more effectively in a fast-changing world.
#4 – Interview with Bonnitta Roy
Join Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe as they dive into an insightful conversation with Bonitta Roy, followed by their thoughtful reflections on her wisdom. Bonnitta Roy is an international award-winning author, presenter, and trainer. She is the creator of the OPO – Open Participatory Organization and Founder of APP Associates International (now C-LABS). She is the author of the popular medium publication ‘Our Future at Work’. She is working on new ways to understand complexity, particularly through the lenses of post-formal actors, action protocols, and complex potential states.
#3 – Interview with Erin Meyer
Michael Göthe and Tomas Björkholm are listening to the interview with Erin Meyer and reflects on the content. Erin Meyer, the co-author of “No Rules Rules”, explores how a strong, dilemma-solving culture has been key to Netflix’s success.
#2 – Interview with Peter Block
Michael Göthe and Tomas Björkholm are performing an interview with Peter Block and give their reflections on what Peter is partner at Designed Learning, a training company that offers workshops designed to build the skills outlined in his books. His books include Flawless Consulting, Stewardship, The Answer to How Is Yes, Community, The Abundant Community, and An Other Kingdom.
#1 – Interview with Esther Derby
Michael Göthe and Tomas Björkholm perform and reflect on an interview with Esther Derby, a well-known thought leader within the Agile community, and give their reflections on the content.
